Reasons why Carebears think PvE is the best and PvP should be disabled for all.
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Deadka7 7 months, 1 week ago.
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Because of entitlement. They feel like they should be able to get the same profit as someone who risks their “life” to make money. They want to be a part of the big dangerous universe, without any of the danger.
People who don’t want PvP want to play a game where they feel safe, where everything is controlled because the unpredictability of life scares them. They like the feeling of success by amassing a fictional fortune
Those who want PvP to have to live by their wits on the other hand find life all too predictable. We find entertainment in the stories we take part in, and create within a virtual world. Because while fake currency is fake, and all these ships are only 1′s and 0′s, the stories are real, the experiences are real because we share these with other people, not just ourselves.
These people think that because they’ve paid for the game, they’re entitled to change the original vision for the game to suit them.
They don’t want to play on a private server or offline because of an imagined entitlement to something that they think they’ve paid for, when actually they’ve funded the polar opposite.
They want to earn the same amount of money in the safer systems where they’re protected by the military and the police, as someone out in the lawless systems with nothing but the shields on their hulls and the guns on their wings.
They want to be able to fly out in to the most dangerous parts of the universe, and be free from danger.
They believe that anyone who enjoys PvP is going to spawn camp them at jump gates, or follow them around the galaxy “ganking” them.
They don’t want to lose their items to a human player, but are fine with losing it to an AI controlled ship. What’s the difference?
PvP focused players want both PvE and PvP, whereas PvE focused players only want PvE, and can’t fathom that someone might disagree with them.
They think that the persistent server should be PvE theme-park only, where they can fight AI at x-y-z coordinates, and then trade goods from A to B in peace, and that the PvP players should have private servers where they can fight each other.
They want to impose real-time punishments on PvP players, such as 30 days of real time in “jail”, or community service protecting the trader you just killed. They want to stop legitimate players from playing, simply because we are doing something they dislike. PvP players on the other hand don’t want to stop anyone from playing.
PvP servers wouldn’t work because you’d split the population into shards, and each PvP server would only have a few players, which severely affects PvP.
If you had a PvE private server it wouldn’t matter, because you don’t need to interact with players at all to play in a PvE environment.
Carebears, why should the players that need a large amount of other humans in the game be forced on to private servers just because you don’t want to be killed by the occasional player?
What’s the difference between being killed by a human player or an AI player? Is it a matter of someone being better than you? Is that it? If it’s AI you can wave it off as “oh they all have perfect aim and more damage to compete with me, as I’m the best” whereas if you’re bested by another human, you can’t handle that someone’s better than you?
tl;dr:
Carebears don’t want unpredictable (or any) danger.
They’re scared of being beaten by a human, and think PvP players all grief all the time.
PvP of this scale can’t work on private servers, because of the amount of human interaction involved in PvP.
PvE can work on private servers because you don’t need other players to do PvE. Simple as that.
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This reply was modified 7 months, 1 week ago by
Azazel.
Couldn’t agree more.
Honestly even the idea of having “pvp only” servers seems dumb. It should simply be a persistent game world all partake in. Isn’t that ideal and what we’re looking for? If you only want single player or versing bots, isn’t that what squadron 42 is for? If you’re playing with people, you’re playing with people, not I sort of want to play with people, on my terms, the universe should be unpredictable.
It should be a consistent, persistent online world where anything and everything can happen.
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This reply was modified 7 months, 1 week ago by
AceDauntless.
@GiantSnark, those are my feelings exactly. I look forward to flying with/against you some day in the vastness of the realm that RSI creates
“I’m a leaf on the wind. Watch how I soar.”
Great posts. Both Azazel and GiantSnark.
(I can only assume it was Snark that saw some of my posts, we have basically the same ideals.)
To be fair – I’ve seen ridiculous arguments on both sides of the fence – both people have their extreme fans I guess.
I’m not really fussed however it works – as long as it makes sense and feels like a galaxy I can go everywhere and do anything without special zones, or exclusive equipment and ships for playing a certain way.
I agree with @Azazel, even though i prefer PVE i dont want the main server to be softened for that fact. as long as i can PVE on a private server/offline im good to go. I’ll go on the main server when i feel comfortable enough to try it. I have nothing against PVP just scared of dying and losing everything after trying EVE, but i know it’ll be fine compared to EVE, so no big deal for me.
@Azazel
Oh, heh. I never really took those seriously.
The instance slider, controlled vs uncontrolled systems, and high risk high reward economy seem fine to me. I wish people would wait to play the damn thing before getting up in arms about it. (Not singling anyone out–there’s just way too much drama on these forums over something that won’t be out for 30 months.)
Person of Interest – POI – Pwning All Industrials
CR already gave away a possible “Griefing” Tool for PvPers or called: Players who want to play the bad Pirate.
And I don’t know why a Player is more unpredictable then a AI:
A: He Attacks you
B: He dosn’t attacks you/He Ignores You
C: He helps you if you are attacked
Then it breaks down to a set of flying mechanism which will be mostlikely flown in a variation by the human player but will be practical the same as it would be one of a NPC.
Only Difference: The Human gains something through it, the AI mostlikely dosn’tmy 2 (worthless) cents (in this kind of escalating thematic)
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